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Feb 26, 2005 14:18:13 GMT -5
Post by evm111 on Feb 26, 2005 14:18:13 GMT -5
Hello Group! I feel like I've been swindled once again; what an annoying feeling, which I can't resist sharing. By doing so, hopefully it will dissipate somewhat. Most of you know about the profusion of "pattern" Euro sets that hav flooded the market- I'm sure some of them, depending on the mint-of-origin, are quite attractive. But recently, I purchased a Lapland set and a Chechnya set. Lapland is not even a country, so I thought it'd be neat to have this "regional" coin; as for Chechnya, I figured if they ever do become independent, these will be the KM1-8 issues. I also obtained a Crete coin and a Corsica coin, both from the same maker, from Stephen in a trade. Now I've just oreded a Kosovo set, from the same 2005 series, and I know these will be equally hideous. Terrible craftsmanship and bottom-of-the-barrel "artistry". Couldn't these people at least pretend to be passionate about minting these coins? The packaging (which I could really care less about) is nice, I'll have to grant them that, but whoever designed the actual coins should be told that he lacks the "eye" to pull it off. Couldn't he find /hire someone who is a bit more tanlented or skilled? Someone who puts forth a bit more effort? Some discernible care? I swear, these coins are ghastly, horrid. I, sucker that I am, just had to vent. Anyone else? I wonder what's next? South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Aceh province, Kashmir? any other "trouble-spots"? All the more reason why I love and admire our micronational/fantasy coins as much as I do (Seborga, Kamberra, Molossia). There's a lot of love put into these coins. Dreams. Passion. Pride. Conviction. Sweat. Energy. They're the best coins in the entire world, hands down.
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Feb 27, 2005 1:52:27 GMT -5
Post by George on Feb 27, 2005 1:52:27 GMT -5
Given the fundraising potential I'm surprised the Palestinian Authority hasn't yet issued coins. I suppose they have more important things to worry about.
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Feb 27, 2005 6:58:16 GMT -5
Post by shibolet on Feb 27, 2005 6:58:16 GMT -5
George:
First of all, the Palestinian Authority is too much of a wasp's nest for someone to delve into making coins for them ... although I would be really curious to see coins originating in the PA. Fact is that there just aren't many "unauthorised"coins from arab countries around, as most coin makers are from "European" descent, and do not speak Arabic. (From the few that have been made, most have grammatical or spelling mistakes, even the Kurdistan coins had a mistake on them at first... this was only corrected after the first of these came on the market).
EriK:
About the EUROP sets, you can't say I never warned you... I'd seen these sets a long time ago and had posted in the yahoo newsgroup that they were awful... much worse even than the 1998 Occussi Ambeno 5$... Even the packaging is strictly DTP quality; any one of us with a slight design background could have put this together in less than 2 hours... but, as long as collectors keep buying them, they'll keep on producing them. Think about it, if people will pay the same price for the badly designed Chechnya set as for the reasonably well designed Denmark set from 2003..., then why bother to design a good set?
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Feb 27, 2005 17:43:52 GMT -5
Post by evm111 on Feb 27, 2005 17:43:52 GMT -5
Hi Chaim! Oh, I do remember your comment about these coins and the reference to that awful O-A coin; I just couldn't resist the Chechnya and Lapland "names", in spite of knowing my stomach would turn biliously. By the way, are you sure these are part of the EUROP sets? I was under the impression that the "Europ Mint" coins were a different series, a tad bit nicer, but they don't even have country-names on the(which is why I haven't gotten any): www.europ-mint.ch/2004_li_das_laendle.html
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Feb 27, 2005 17:51:54 GMT -5
Post by George on Feb 27, 2005 17:51:54 GMT -5
George: First of all, the Palestinian Authority is too much of a wasp's nest for someone to delve into making coins for them ... although I would be really curious to see coins originating in the PA. Fact is that there just aren't many "unauthorised"coins from arab countries around, as most coin makers are from "European" descent, and do not speak Arabic. (From the few that have been made, most have grammatical or spelling mistakes, even the Kurdistan coins had a mistake on them at first... this was only corrected after the first of these came on the market). Well I begin my studies in Arabic at Sydney University in April. Who knows, in another 5 years I may know it well enough to spawn an entire new cultural sub-set of "unrecognised" coins. ;D
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Feb 27, 2005 18:06:13 GMT -5
Post by evm111 on Feb 27, 2005 18:06:13 GMT -5
George- That sounds awesome! I was hoping that Mohammad Haseed Naz would have minted one of his coins entirely in Arabic, based on what he said about one of his ideas. An all-Arabic coin would look beautiful, reminischent of the "Arabia" coin in UWC, but much better. About a decade and a half ago (back when I was in art school and involved in printmaking), I was collecting samples of all the world's alphabets going back to cunneiform (I liked to use some of the letters in my etchings, woodcuts, lithographs), so I scoured a few libraries (including the main one at the University of Pennsylvania; they also has a fantastic anthropology library) making copies. I still have those; some of them would look really neat on a coin. Not knowing how to write the actual words in those native tongues, I'd probbly have to resort to just using the characters to spell out the word in English, basically, substituting our letters for their corresponding letter.
Chaim - you mentioned Arabic, that reminded me of another thing I meant to say about those coins- how ridiculous it is that they don't even have the country-names on the coin written in the native language. Like the Lapland ones should at least be in Finnish or one of the other regional languages.
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Feb 27, 2005 18:25:21 GMT -5
Post by George on Feb 27, 2005 18:25:21 GMT -5
Given that I've never seriously studied a foreign language before (high school French doesn't really count) - particularly one using a non-Roman script, learning Arabic should prove an interesting challenge. My mother is originally from Alexandria (although of Maltese, not Arab background), so I grew up hearing about how wonderful Egypt was, and listening to her family speaking Maltese, which is essentially a cross between Arabic and Italian. When I finally spent a month in Egypt in early 2004 I fell in love with the place and its culture, so I thought I'd try to expand my knowlege beyond just a basic familiarity with Arabic numerals. Maybe eventually I'll be able to extend my skills in calligrapy beyond he Roman alphabet too
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Feb 27, 2005 19:17:22 GMT -5
Post by evm111 on Feb 27, 2005 19:17:22 GMT -5
That is fascinating! I took French before High School and I was terrible at it, even though I speak Portuguese (you would think that speaking another language would have made learning French a bit easier, but it didn't, at least not then). Speaking of Egypt, I listened to NPR last week on the drive home from work (like I do daily), and they spoke about the controversial, best-selling Egyptian novel "The Yacoubian Building", which is now being made into the most expensive movie ever from that region. I'll try to see it when it comes out. Here's a link to the story: www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4508427
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Mar 10, 2005 7:17:46 GMT -5
Post by CEDRO on Mar 10, 2005 7:17:46 GMT -5
Hi all.
I am new to this forum. It seems from this discussion that not legitimate Euro emissions have been issued.
The Countries using Euro (since 2002) are 12 belongig to the European Union, plus others having preceding agreement with some of them, these are: San Marino, Vatican City (they used the lira of Italy), Monaco, Andorra.
Kosovo and Montenegro decided to use the Euro: I don't know of other States doing this later.
A coin of Corsica in Euro may be perhaps an emission of a secessionist movement, certainly not a legal French emission (it should be 'Corse' in French).
The state is not indicated on the coins except for those of Spain.
I gave a look to the Europ-mint site cited in a message; it give info about the Euro coins and banknotes , but the emissions EUROP are not legal coins, don't confuse them with real coins.
Regards.
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Jul 21, 2005 11:08:37 GMT -5
Post by tiki57 on Jul 21, 2005 11:08:37 GMT -5
Hi all. I know this is an old entry, but I feel I need to say something. George, don't take this offensive, but for some reason I feel that you know SQUAT, or even the littlest thing for that matter, about Arabic. There is alot to the language, and there is so many variations coming from every Arab country. Not to mention Urdu and Farsi (or Persian) which are similar to Arabic. Being a Moslem my self I have been raised in the culture. ALLAHU AKBAR
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Jul 23, 2005 0:18:36 GMT -5
Post by George on Jul 23, 2005 0:18:36 GMT -5
Hello tiki57 (aka Corey Vandall from Antnapolistan).
Fancy meeting you here!
FYI I know more than enough Arabic to know when I'm being fed bulldust.
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Jul 23, 2005 10:38:36 GMT -5
Post by tiki57 on Jul 23, 2005 10:38:36 GMT -5
Sorry George, but I highly dought you know anything about Arabic, ensah Allah. Unless you convince otherwise I stick to my word. And I would appreciate that you don't judge me for someone else, my name is Mohammed dipshit, don't offend me! Sorry for harsh language people, but I feel George is more of a poser than he says he is - tiki57
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Jul 23, 2005 18:49:29 GMT -5
Post by George on Jul 23, 2005 18:49:29 GMT -5
Mr Vandall,
If you don't want to be permanently banned from this message board, please refrain from posting offensive and/or deliberately misleading comments.
All of the administrators here can see your profile details, so your real identity is well known.
We have elected to humour you until now, but I for one am not prepared to do so indefinitely.
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Jul 23, 2005 19:20:16 GMT -5
Post by tiki57 on Jul 23, 2005 19:20:16 GMT -5
Now now my Australian friend. Only a true enemy of Islaam would say such a thing.
I only ask that you do not offend me, and go by my original name (Mohammed Anwar ul-Haq) please do not use my adoppted American title.
And George, I want you to give my beloved Islamic Society a chance. I assure you, Antnapolistan is not a country, nor does it try to pose as one. It is an exsisting society, founded in 1989. If you need more info I can provide you. But I am rather insulted that you feel my fellow moslems and I are a joke (that is the impression you have given me). I would rather be at ease and peace with you than have hatred.
If you have been offended by me I apologize, it is against my religion to do such things to people.
- tiki57
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Jul 23, 2005 23:08:12 GMT -5
Post by George on Jul 23, 2005 23:08:12 GMT -5
Mr Vandall,
Until you produce actual evidence that your "beloved Islamic society" of Antnapolistan exists outside your imagination, nobody here will be prepared to give serious consideration to your claims to the contrary.
In the meantime, we can only conclude that Antnapolistan is a personal invented art-currency project, like Kamberra, New Island or Nadiria.
Further inflamatory statements of a religious nature are extremely ill-advised.
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