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Post by Richard C. on Mar 24, 2005 21:16:42 GMT -5
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Post by evm111 on Mar 26, 2005 19:47:14 GMT -5
Looks like a fantasy, though he backs it up with a lot of historical data. Maybe he really is the heir of this particular line....Erik
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Post by Richard C. on Mar 26, 2005 21:00:47 GMT -5
There is no way I can tell if its real or fantasy like you said
People can use Historical Data and than manipulate them to suite there needs for this so called "nation"
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Post by CEDRO2 on Mar 27, 2005 18:45:04 GMT -5
Hi Richard. I gave a quick look to the website. The prince is saying that:
the territory around the town of Mergentheim was a principality of the Holy Roman Empire (it should be verified but it is quite possible):
now it is part of Germany ; (the town is really existing)
the prince is the heir of that title and so can give nobility titles.
That is this is a 'restoration' of an old country by someone who claim to be a legal heir of that power or has appointed himself as such; it can be considered as a government in exile of a no more existing country. I do not think he can make any real act of government without be sanctioned by the German authorities. Probably the nobility titles are simply without any recognition by the government and so tolerated. It's the same happened in Italy with the principality of Seborga that is a curiosity attracting tourists (but there the prince had problems for the violation of Italian laws). The only Principality of the Holy Roman Empire survived is that of Liechtenstein.
Regards. Ugo
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Post by George on Mar 28, 2005 1:05:10 GMT -5
Looks like a scam to me - but then I'm inherently suspicious of people who sell titles and knighthoods.
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Post by Richard C. on Mar 28, 2005 2:37:22 GMT -5
Another competing Prince of Mergentheim is here: www.imperialcollegeofprincesandcounts.org/also if you read the site it gives this: H.I.&.R.H. Prinz Karl Friedrich von Deutschland, Herzog von Swabia, de jure Kaiser Charles VIII The Imperial title of Germany was "German Emperor" or "Emperor of the Germans" not "Emperor of Germany". Also if you go to the website you will notice that in page 2 which his here: imperialcollegeofprincesandcounts.org/_wsn/page2.htmlthat everyone is called "Prince of The Holy Roman Empire."
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Post by George on Mar 28, 2005 3:12:07 GMT -5
mmm... so the Holy Roman Empire survived its abolition by Napoleon after all. Surely it can only be a matter of time before the heirs to Amenhotep, Nebuchadnezzar, Darius, Alexander, Ptolemy and Chosroes re-emerge to claim their near eastern legacy and start doling out priesthoods, governorships, satrapies and the like via a Geocities website.
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Post by shibolet on Mar 28, 2005 14:11:35 GMT -5
About Mergentheim: Its amazing that a German prince would use English as the main language on his (Geocities....sic) website... but even more amazing is that he would use American English idiom and spelling (for example a word we all know well: "recognized"). As if a member of the European Nobility would stoop down as low as to use a non-European language, yeah right!!!; one would expect an English, French or Latin education at the least... if one were not using one's own Language, i.e. High German.
Regarding the site of the "Imperial College of Frauds and Impostors": It's interesting to note that the so-called "Imperial College" uses the German flag of post-1950 and not the red, white and black flag of the German Empire... Someone has just plain not done their homework!!! Gives you a perfect clue as to the authenticity of the "Imperial College": i.e. NONE!
As to claims to the Crown, I guess we all could find ourselves belonging to one or another crown if we looked hard enough: just take your pick, you'll qualify. Every king, baron and princeling since King David (and probably earlier as well) has had a string of illegitimate children a mile long... and every run-down hovel used to have their own princeling, from Trondheim to Tarsus, from the Orkneys to Osaka.... I think the chances of not having so-called blue blood are lower than being contaminated by it! Which should set a premium on non-blue blood ;D , shouldn't it?
The tedium of continuous stream of would-be kings is as bad as the tedium of the dredges of our hobby, the NCLT issues that countries mint yearly just to leach money from collectors... Inventing your own new Kingdom or Principality and minting coins for it is much fairer than milking a long dead cow of has-been nobilities... No false claims, just novel ideas and coin designs and the will to make dreams come true.
Just my two euro-cents,
The Official Royal Pretender of The Ultimate State of Tædivm
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Post by evm111 on Mar 29, 2005 11:24:34 GMT -5
Well put!! I'm glad Mergentheim doesn't have a coin- I don't have to try to make sense of that whole lineage! Erik
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Post by George on Mar 29, 2005 17:14:13 GMT -5
He does have a nice set of bagpipes though... ;D
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Post by JOHN on May 8, 2008 14:28:33 GMT -5
Another competing Prince of Mergentheim is here: www.imperialcollegeofprincesandcounts.org/also if you read the site it gives this: H.I.&.R.H. Prinz Karl Friedrich von Deutschland, Herzog von Swabia, de jure Kaiser Charles VIII The Imperial title of Germany was "German Emperor" or "Emperor of the Germans" not "Emperor of Germany". Also if you go to the website you will notice that in page 2 which his here: imperialcollegeofprincesandcounts.org/_wsn/page2.htmlthat everyone is called "Prince of The Holy Roman Empire."
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Post by JOHN WIEBE on May 8, 2008 15:10:54 GMT -5
I wrote the "Prinz" asking for his help in researching the Wiebe name and he wrote me back stating he would be happy to help.
I find it interesting he is able to list a long line of legitimate Nobility and not get in trouble for it which makes me think there is some validity to his claim. I would think the Queen of England would shut him down if there were not some truth to his site. Still, I have yet to take him up on his offer because of my work schedule, but more so I’m still somewhat a skeptic. Regardless, he has been very kind. I have a few German friends that reviewed his site; they found it very interesting and were not able to tell its authenticity.
My father-in-law has researched his genealogy and come to find out my wife and kids are direct descendants of over 700 Kings and Queens. So, what does that do for my family? I think nothing, but I have heard stories where England Nobility will look to someone in the U.S. for a long lost relative to take a Title over/next in line. My wife is about 24 generations removed 21st great grand child to Long Shanks of England and De Bruce of Scotland. I think this very funny because these two were bitter enemies. Charlemagne is also her Great Grandfather and the list goes on. Some Nobel families have accepted us in to their clan due to the documentation so again what does that provide? If nothing else, I think a very interesting lineage. I was told that only 2 million living people have ties to Nobility and of those very few neither know it nor can prove it. With that said, I guess we are lucky. In my eyes my little girl will always be a Princess.
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